Vegan vs CARNIVORE Joe Rogan experience number 1175, Chris Kresser and Dr.Walcott. I know a lot of you guys were hoping. This was going to be like a carnivore versus a vegan thing, but unfortunately, it’s quite the opposite. Both of these guys come from like a predominantly plant-based diet.
Chris Cremer advocated for more animal foods, and nutrient-dense animal foods in the diet, but they kind of both agreed that the standard American diet is bad and that different people have different nutritional requirements which is completely incorrect. You know everyone needs a base, fat-soluble vitamin content in the diet – and you know after looking at this podcast from the outside, I feel like it was almost set up to just look like both diets for okay to follow. I feel like Chris Kresser held back on a lot of information and even when he was holding him back on this information, dr
Dwelle Khan contradicted himself in many many ways and said some very outlandish things. So let’s go over that briefly. Initially, they kind of disagreed on what studies would be good.
You know, Joel Khan was for epidemiological studies, and Chris crusher was against them. Favor and randomized controlled trials, but this whole podcast were this: just two and a half hours back and forth on Jamal Khan, clinging to old science and USDA guidelines and Health Organization’s, saying that oh you’re conspiracy, theorists, if you think these people have been wrong for 60 Years Chris crasher was presenting new science new studies, randomized control trials, using logic saying that you know science is progressing. You know we used to think the world is flat and I know some of you guys still do, but you know that’s beside the point. You know science does change and progress and the initial science that these USDA guidelines are based on is completely crooked. I mean the topics they argued on were mainly saturated, fat, and cholesterol and they did touch on heme iron.
They did touch on carcinogens. Briefly, they touched on heterocyclic amines briefly, but they didn’t really go in depth. They brought up TMAO, which we will touch on, and then he brought up Blue Zones a lot, but the cancer stuff guys the heterocyclic amines, the saturated fat, and cholesterol. I’m going to link. You guys have some videos down below in the description because I have two excellent videos explaining the carcinogens in meat from colorectal cancer to heterocyclic amines.
I also have an excellent video explaining saturated fat, and cholesterol, and the history of how the USDA guidelines came to be. I can’t I don’t want to explain that in this video it will take too long so definitely check those out. I just want to critique the things that came up in this video that were contradictory. You know Joel can cling to those USDA guidelines and then Chris crusher brings up well. They have coca-cola and Nestle funding those.
You know those meetings and stuff, and you literally see that stuff advertised and then draw Cohn was like oh yeah. That’s crooked, that’s bad! But how can well con say: that’s crooked! That’s bad, but he’s pushing the USDA guidelines because they agree with his idea that cholesterol and saturated fat should be limited in the diet, and not only that the USDA guidelines have slowly been backing off. Cholesterol, they did that in 2015 quietly and they, you know, said: hey saturated fat, limited to less than 35 %.
You know they just they’re trying to save face. They don’t want to lose credibility and Joel Cohn is also bringing up these Blue Zones constantly. The centenarians you’re talking about uh cite aliens you’re talking about Sardinians, really I’m not from Sardinia I’m from Naples, but what I will say is just like Sardinians: we have a love for our pork, our sheep, milk and very fatty, high-quality animal foods. Little did well. Cano was he was literally saying.
Look at these centenarians look at the Sardinians. He was literally saying look at these high fat intake people and how they live so long, but he doesn’t know that. That was the one glaring thing in this whole podcast. I was like dude, don’t you know, Sardinians love, pork and he keeps bringing up Blue Zones. What about countries?
France and Korea? The French paradox: they have the lowest rates of heart disease in the world and that’s because of the vitamin k2 content of the foods they eat. The French consume lots of cheeses and high-quality charcuterie, which are very high. In vitamin k2, the Koreans consume large amounts of poor and fermented vegetable natto that I’m not sure if they consume not so but fermented vegetables have high amounts of k2, and are required for calcium metabolism. The constant is normally that this vitamin k2 would need to be obtained from animal foods.
So, although you know those countries consume high amounts of fat and fish and they have low rates of heart disease, I’m deducing it to the higher k2 intake, because that seems to be the pot of the main possibility. I just think that you know you’re bringing up Blue Zones and stuff when I can bring up entire countries of low heart disease. This is it blows it out of the water. You know they started talking about seventh-day Adventists and bringing up things like healthy user bias. You know if people eat a hotdog, they’re going to have it with a bun.
If people you know are prone to eating healthy, they’re prone to exercising and not smoking and not drinking yeah, this is pretty much kind of what they went over the whole podcast later in the podcast, he attempted to bring up the igf-1 thing and the problem with IGF-1 Is that it’s only related to breast cancer studies with consumption, I believe of conventional dairy, which is completely ridiculous like a statement to make it’s a blanket statement made for everything, then you started bringing up TMAO and the ridiculous thing about TMAO is vegans will always say: To from red meat and eggs is so bad for you, but it’s multiple times higher in fish, like literally 100 times higher in fish Chris crusher brought this up and TMAO consumption from fish is not shown to have any negative effects. So it’s a red herring TMAO is like something that vegans try to isolate as a blanket statement and apply to everything outside of the context of the nutrient profile of the whole food. And then what really bothered me was: dual khan had the balls to say: fish causes diabetes because fish has saturated fat and animal protein, which is complete. Wack, oh I mean. Then he started saying PCBs, mercury and but he was mentioning things related to pollution, not necessarily fish in itself.
It doesn’t really make any sense and then when Joe Rogan asked Chris create okay, what vitamins are in animal foods versus plants, this didn’t make sense to me. This is what I thought is this a whole setup? Is this whole podcast just set up? You know because Chris crusher says b12 zinc, iron, coaling, taurine, and creatine are in animal foods and then plant foods have more carotenoids polyphenols antioxidants, but animal foods have every vitamin every element: every mineral in large amounts and vitamin C and vitamin E being the antioxidant vitamins. Certain animal foods have higher amounts of antioxidants than any vegetable food, so I was like wait.
Chris Kresser knows this. I know he knows this stuff, so why is he not bringing it up? It doesn’t make any sense. They kind of understated the importance of animal foods here, and then they started talking about how they pretty much surmised, that a vegan diet with supplementing certain things is healthier than the standard American diet. But they were literally saying vegetarians are lower in vitamins than omnivores.
But those are omnivores on a standard American diet, we’re already unhealthy. So what kind of measurement is that they started? Talking about the carnivore diet, around 3 hours and 20 minutes in they brought up Shawn Baker’s lab work, which is completely ridiculous because that guy dead-lifted. You know more than the natural record. Ten years ago, he deadlift like 800 pounds, which is close to the raw world record for his weight class you’re, using this guy’s metric that he’s been on a diet for a year and a half and does all this crazy stuff, not a good metric for The carnivore diet, dude then drill con, mentions the importance of vitamin C, which is you know that they just don’t want Rove me crazy.
Where they don’t know that vitamin C is in animal food in large amounts? They don’t know that and he brought up vitamin A and vitamin C, and Chris’s crush was like. Oh, I don’t know. If Kenny has vitamin C, are you guys serious? How did these super intelligent people not know what vitamins are in these organs?
He’s driving me crazy, they started bringing up the lack of omega-3s and fiber and meat sticking in the colon in the diet. This is just what I was literally laughing at and what these guys were saying. A whole meat diet is low in omega-3 yeah. If you eat grain-fed ribeye all day, and then Chris Chrysler started talking about the rating of nutrient density of foods, how organ meats were at the top, then shellfish and fatty fish? And how could you just you kind of like you were kind of brushing off the nutrient density of animal foods and then you go to say that they’re, the most nutrient-dense foods?
I just feel like this whole podcast was staged to make it so one diet doesn’t look glaringly better than the other. That’s how I feel he did mention at 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds. There’s a Joe Rogan who said: oh there’s a guy. I follow them on YouTube and he advocates organ meats. I’m sorry.
I forgot his name. That was me. She forgot my name. It comes on. That was close, this close to what he can do man, but that was a summary for you guys.
I think I going to try to condense this down even further, but just the topics they talked about on this podcast. It was a waste of three hours and 45 minutes man. I should have gone to bed 3 hours ago. I got ta get up for work in like six hours, I’m going to be so tired, but if you guys would like to support me, please just share the channel. We could do a makeup check for you clowns.
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